AMF centres enforcing TBA membership!
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Not sure what the issue is with NSW, a lot of the bowlers I know are tenpin Sydney members, some of those bowlers are happy to be in one association as they only bowl in tenpin Sydney tournaments- east coast cup etc...
The Telstar doubles at Blacktown on thursday nights requires you to be a TBA member to bowl in that league. My understanding is if your not a member and still bowl, anyone else in that league that is a TBA member that bowls a high game or high series, they are not entitled to any TBA awards?? lyn chown can verify that as she is the league secretary.
The Telstar doubles at Blacktown on thursday nights requires you to be a TBA member to bowl in that league. My understanding is if your not a member and still bowl, anyone else in that league that is a TBA member that bowls a high game or high series, they are not entitled to any TBA awards?? lyn chown can verify that as she is the league secretary.
Casual Observer
Member
So this has degenerated into a "what do you get for your membership" thread instead of dealing with AMF enforcing TBA membership. How about we get back on topic.
Good on AMF for making a stand. I rarely say anything good about them but this time they deserve it.
As for people who don't want to sanction with TBA, stop recognising their games and treat them like social bowlers. Charge them $1 extra per game for league if they are not sanctioned league bowlers but make sure EVERY centre does it. Wont take long to make up $30 and for them to realise it is cheaper to just sanction. Where does the $1 go? Give it to the juniors at the centre or something. Use it to pay for the national team. Plenty of ideas.
NSW and Qld - there is no need for them to be treated differently. A fair percentage of the bowlers in the country are in those 2 states so they can do the same. There is no logical reason for them to be treated differently.
No policy will work if you make exceptions. Enforce it for all or don't have the policy.
Good on AMF for making a stand. I rarely say anything good about them but this time they deserve it.
As for people who don't want to sanction with TBA, stop recognising their games and treat them like social bowlers. Charge them $1 extra per game for league if they are not sanctioned league bowlers but make sure EVERY centre does it. Wont take long to make up $30 and for them to realise it is cheaper to just sanction. Where does the $1 go? Give it to the juniors at the centre or something. Use it to pay for the national team. Plenty of ideas.
NSW and Qld - there is no need for them to be treated differently. A fair percentage of the bowlers in the country are in those 2 states so they can do the same. There is no logical reason for them to be treated differently.
No policy will work if you make exceptions. Enforce it for all or don't have the policy.
bowlrig
Just A Bowler
Casual Observer
Member
I actually said "enforce it or don't have it". Either way doesn't matter as long as it is consistent.
I don't have a preference for either but I think supporting TBA is probably good in the long run.
For the record I am sanctioned as we need to be to bowl Vic Country Cup. I always have been.
Casual Observer
Member
And if you knew anything about management you would realise that isn't how it works. A good manager listens as well
Michael Little
Active Member
This isnt a bad suggestion either, really should be one way or the other, consistancy and transparency should go hand in hand too.
Another thought re bowlers not registering or bowling in leagues that are not TBA sanctioned, technically those leagues and bowlers are not eligible to use, administer or come under any TBA rules and regulations, they need to create their own policies or laws or rely on other associations or the centres to provide them.
This is just my comments on the issue.
I am in a big league and no one is interested in badges and chevrons. They just get thrown in the bottom drawer and forgotten. The league in general believe that the money raised for TBA will mainly go to the "Elite" bowlers which in truth is a VERY small percentage of the bowlers in Australia. Yes, I know that TBA need this money but the majority of the average league bowler just do not care. Most of them have absolutely no idea what goes on outside of league (and are simply not interested). Surely it would be better to charge the 'once a week' league bowlers $10 a year and forget about awards. The TBA memberships can be bought by the bowlers who want to bowl in Tournaments and State Team Trials etc. Also what about the sanctioning of leagues that TBA abolished last year. Is this going to be resurrected? Will the league secretaries be given paperwork to apply for awards? I can also see problems with the centres explaining to prospective new bowlers that firstly you have to pay a joining fee of $29. I will possibly be much harder to recruit new bowlers and the leagues will just get smaller and smaller and of course the centre profits will be down. I know that I might sound negative but on a personal note I have always supported TBA and will continue to do so. However I am speaking about the average league bowler who picks up his bag from the garage once a week goes and bowls with his/her mates and goes home and deposits the bag back in the garage again! They do not care about State Teams and tournaments etc. I think that if TBA get $10 from every league bowler and the other fees from the Tournament/State Team participants surely this will be enough??
I am in a big league and no one is interested in badges and chevrons. They just get thrown in the bottom drawer and forgotten. The league in general believe that the money raised for TBA will mainly go to the "Elite" bowlers which in truth is a VERY small percentage of the bowlers in Australia. Yes, I know that TBA need this money but the majority of the average league bowler just do not care. Most of them have absolutely no idea what goes on outside of league (and are simply not interested). Surely it would be better to charge the 'once a week' league bowlers $10 a year and forget about awards. The TBA memberships can be bought by the bowlers who want to bowl in Tournaments and State Team Trials etc. Also what about the sanctioning of leagues that TBA abolished last year. Is this going to be resurrected? Will the league secretaries be given paperwork to apply for awards? I can also see problems with the centres explaining to prospective new bowlers that firstly you have to pay a joining fee of $29. I will possibly be much harder to recruit new bowlers and the leagues will just get smaller and smaller and of course the centre profits will be down. I know that I might sound negative but on a personal note I have always supported TBA and will continue to do so. However I am speaking about the average league bowler who picks up his bag from the garage once a week goes and bowls with his/her mates and goes home and deposits the bag back in the garage again! They do not care about State Teams and tournaments etc. I think that if TBA get $10 from every league bowler and the other fees from the Tournament/State Team participants surely this will be enough??
Roysa
Well-Known Member
I can see some very valid points in your post Suzy. Especially recruiting of new teams. This could be avoided by giving all new teams or bowlers an exemption for the first season (not full yr). That way they know up front and will have months to prepare to pay what the rest have already paid. If they are still around at the start of the next league then they have to pay like everyone else. If $29 a yr scares them off after paying probably about the same every week for bowling then maybe someone should mention to them the 4 games free they get for joining and the coaching lesson, if they bowled these free games after the reformation meeting between seasons and pay TBA membership at same time it's no extra cost than a normal week at league. Hope that all made sense.
I just think charging different rates for different people based on their level of interest in the game opens a huge can of worms.
An example, do they only get 33% insurance for paying $10?
I just think charging different rates for different people based on their level of interest in the game opens a huge can of worms.
An example, do they only get 33% insurance for paying $10?
Frank Zippell
New Member
Bowling has long lost its appeal to the general non bowling public.
Your never going to be able to enforce a mandatory registration fee for something that struggles to appeal to the average Australian.
Society has changed to such an extent that people have lost the need and ability to socialise in large group gatherings.
Your never going to be able to enforce a mandatory registration fee for something that struggles to appeal to the average Australian.
Society has changed to such an extent that people have lost the need and ability to socialise in large group gatherings.
Brenton_Davy
900Global bowler
Surprisingly, it's been my experience that getting new bowlers to pay membership is far easier than getting existing bowlers to because they just think it's a natural part of playing an organised sport WHICH IT IS IN EVERY OTHER SPORT!
This idea has merit. Surely insurance against injury and theft/misappropriation of league funds is worth this type of membership.
scooby sue
Widower
So, the matter has been decided in Victoria - UTBA and TBA are now affiliated - we get the best of both worlds, having the membership with our national body, plus the rewards we get from the UTBA - both tournament bowlers and the average 'joe' get benefits from this. Well done in making this happen and hopefully it will be a long and rewarding partnership.
One thing I must mention though, for all you who are saying that it is wonderful that we get a free bowling lesson with an accredited coach - lets just say that the coach appointed in Dandenong has an average of less than 150 (nothing against the person themselves), somehow I don't think they can help those who are a bit more established in their bowling career!! Now, if I could transfer that coaching lesson to Boronia I would be happy!!
One thing I must mention though, for all you who are saying that it is wonderful that we get a free bowling lesson with an accredited coach - lets just say that the coach appointed in Dandenong has an average of less than 150 (nothing against the person themselves), somehow I don't think they can help those who are a bit more established in their bowling career!! Now, if I could transfer that coaching lesson to Boronia I would be happy!!
Casual Observer
Member
you need coaching to bowl at Boronia?
Michael Little
Active Member
Suzy, bowling in a slightly more elite league like you do, might be fair enough if people arent interested in the awards etc, but that doesnt apply to all leagues, you have plenty of leagues and bowlers alike that love that sort of stuff.
Also as I am sure you are aware, at present there are two membership levels, neither are expensive in comparison to just about any other sport in this country. Subsidising certain bowlers, leagues etc just wont work, you dont get that in many other sports that I know of. There is an elite level membership to play tournaments, so that side is easily catered for.
And I agree with Brenton, any new league bowlers probably wont mind paying the membership fee as most others compete in other sports and are used to it. Where centres, the TBA need to progress things is to turn the minds of the stick in the mud types who carry on and whinge about their value for money in membership. Hopefully AMF employ the right type of people who can sell the benefit of the membership, it isnt really that hard IMO with their offer. Roysas idea isnt a bad one for AMF or any other centre to incorporate in the leagues off week etc.
And Scooby Sue, I know there are bad and good coaches everywhere, however you should probably clarify better a coaches ability rather than judging them on their average lol, some of the best coaches and most intelligent people I have met in this game would be lucky to hold a 150 avg Maybe AMF can transfer coaching lessons etc, sure they might be some leeway to it?
Also as I am sure you are aware, at present there are two membership levels, neither are expensive in comparison to just about any other sport in this country. Subsidising certain bowlers, leagues etc just wont work, you dont get that in many other sports that I know of. There is an elite level membership to play tournaments, so that side is easily catered for.
And I agree with Brenton, any new league bowlers probably wont mind paying the membership fee as most others compete in other sports and are used to it. Where centres, the TBA need to progress things is to turn the minds of the stick in the mud types who carry on and whinge about their value for money in membership. Hopefully AMF employ the right type of people who can sell the benefit of the membership, it isnt really that hard IMO with their offer. Roysas idea isnt a bad one for AMF or any other centre to incorporate in the leagues off week etc.
And Scooby Sue, I know there are bad and good coaches everywhere, however you should probably clarify better a coaches ability rather than judging them on their average lol, some of the best coaches and most intelligent people I have met in this game would be lucky to hold a 150 avg
Maybe AMF can transfer coaching lessons etc, sure they might be some leeway to it?
bluey
Member
You are the first to whinge when someone misreads one of your posts, where did it say she needed coaching to bowl at Boronia? I believe she wanted her coaching LESSON transferred to Boronia to take advantage of one of the most knowledgeable guys in the industry.
If you act like a tool you'll be treated like one!
