Which of our top bowlers are attending the Mens World's Camp in Sydney?

[happychicken]

I will take that job
If i make the Rachuig team i need 8 days annual leave

I just flexed my cyber wallet for every one to see!!!

 

[tonx]

Mary, have you seen some of the Teams lately...

OH SNAP!

 

[BELMO]

Swimming - Australian team trials - fall off block, get disqualified - OUT of that event for the Australian Team - one chance only after a million kms. of training .......
Flower

Mary,

Ever heard of Craig Stevens Vs Ian Thorpes position?? Its not a simple as you put it.

Swimming it is based purely on speed. Everyone swims in the same pool, with the same water. Noone has a 'good pair' or a lucky break.
If you and I swim in a race and you beat me by 3 meters, if we raced again immediately after i would not then beat you by 3 meters. If you are faster, then you are faster.....but in bowling, I can beat you by 30 in 1 game and then you can just as easily beat me by 30 in the next game.
Bowling and swimming are the 2 most distance sports to compare eachother with.
Swimming can be judged over 1 race, bowling can not.

As for the Rachuig idea. I think your right. Rachuig should be bowled by our best, but give me a reason why?? Convince me why i should fly home for this event, other than for the love of the game??

Belmo

 

[lgt]

As a sport the overview should see the better bowlers advancing to Zone / State / National levels. I feel the Adult division in NSW does not have area/zone competition or championships that encourage or support bowlers to move on in the sport. For this Rachuig suffers.

Men's World - There are rules for selection in all teams, bowl bad at Shield trials and you miss the team, same for Youth. There is also a fail safe for injured or unusual circumstances with selection of one or two team members.

This is the process for other teams, why not the selection of Australian Teams. There are rules and requirements, no problem, but shouldn't there be some input from the qualified selection committee regards a last spot.

I would hope the criteria and requirements for the Asian Youth, Women's World and other teams will be out early 2009. I would also hope that some of the issues here and with the youth are at least considered when producing future selection trials.

Leanne

 

[jockey]

If you put up a criteria to be in the Australian team then stick to it. If your not going to stick to it then don't put it up at all.

What people have done in the past should not be the be all or end all determining factor on team selection. Yes Belmo deserves an exemption in this case however if you have exemption criteria then post it in black and white and stick to it.

Let's not return to the dark old days like when a Rachuig rolloff had effectively 50 people bowling for only 2 available spots due to selection clauses. Their should not be automatic selection for any representative teams.

It would be great if through the information Belmo's gathers from the coaches at the FIQ we eventually get some clear criteria that is fair and equitable to all including sound exemption clauses of how one goes about qualifying to represent this country in Bowling.

 

[BELMO]

Their should not be automatic selection for any representative teams.
.

Why not??

How is having a roll off or a camp benefitting the best bowlers??? Bowling is a form and result game.
Having roll offs or camps only benefits the weaker bowlers....kind of like saying "Well my results over the past 2 years are not that good, but ill just go to the camp and roll dice"
If you are not close to the team, why should you be giving a chance?? Work harder, bowl some more, bowl better and work your way up.... How do you think a 2 handed bowler from the country did it???

If I was running the show, I would a point 2 people. A coach and a assistant coach. Their job, for how ever long their contracts last, is to build a team over a 2 year period.
Basically, those 2 people, build a squad, make them practice certain parts of their game and have monthly reports on these bowlers.
These coaches would go to as many events as they could to see up and comming talent, as well as watching the form of their current squad.
If a player needs to be substituted in and out of the squad, then the 2 coaches make that decision and explain why!
These 2 coaches also report to the board of TBA every month and explain how the 'high performance' funding has been used.
When a FIQ comes along, these 2 coaches basically, have to have a team built, with great foundations and then as a team, work towards preparing for the FIQ.
The coaches would pick their 6 (from their squad of say 10) depending on who they believe will have the best chances at winning.
If the team does not do well, the coaches are asked questions....if the answers are not what the board want to hear then they are sacked and 2 more are appointed.......

Every other form/result sport picks teams on FORM and RESULTS...GOLF, SOCCER, CRICKET, RUGBY.......all of them!
But for some reason, bowling wants a crap shoot?

Just an update: Team USA, SWEDEN, FINLAND, ENGLAND, MALAYSIA and SINGAPORE, guess how they picked their teams? Guess what they are doing right now?
And where are we again?

Belmo

 

[rambo1]

michael little is only second to belmonte HE should be in the team you chose wchester

 

[Jez]

It would be great if through the information Belmo's gathers from the coaches at the FIQ we eventually get some clear criteria that is fair and equitable to all including sound exemption clauses of how one goes about qualifying to represent this country in Bowling.

Terry,

We already know the other countries criteria...the best bowlers get selected by their National coaches and selection panel. I have not heard of one of the countries eg, Sweden, Finland, USA, Malaysia, Singapore etc having roll offs. The best inform 6 are taken to the championships.

Countries may have a camp but it is still purely on selection, from what i understand (ie 10 bowlers go to a camp and 6 are choosen.)

Here is a good example. Team USA.... they have a "selection camp"...they bowled on the short and long patterns and then the team was selected... ppl that performed best on that day missed the team, as the selectors picked the team they believed would be the strongest going on previous performances, experiences and team dynamics. As Belmo outlined above, if USA bomb out (which is highly unlikely) i am sure the selection panel, coaches will need to explain and report to the USBC what went wrong and some accountability will be left with them.

This is how the USBC (largest bowling association) put their team together......"why re-invent the wheel"............

 

[lgt]

I would assume all of the countries mentioned have a national program for all divisions, working up from juniors/youth and into adult grades. That would be a National Training and Development Program.

These countries also have a greater population of bowlers, a higher level of experience and competitions of a higher level locally.

These are things Australian bowling does not have.

We have some very talented bowlers, but only a select few with the experience. So how do we encourage the current bowling population to excel or at least look upwards.....we have selection processes that are seen as fair across the board.

I don't agree with the time line or other bits BUT it is a working process. There is an opportunity to request exemptions, there is a set date and criteria, if you want to bowl send in the paperwork.

Leanne.

 

[jason_doust]

So how do we encourage the current bowling population to excel or at least look upwards.....

Right now we're doing just the opposite. Creating multiple divisions (out of our small bowler pool) so everyone can can get a state shirt. Thus motivating players to stay right where they are while simultaneously redusing the talent pool at every level.

Also someone mentioned the dark old days of 50 players rolling off for 2 spots. Who's got 50 players rolling off for Rachuig this year? Congratulations on your fine work if you have!

 

[Jez]

Leanne i agree, Some of the countries mentioned do have a greater population of bowlers and others don't (Kuwait, Qatar, UAE etc) but they may have more experience in high class events.

I also agree that Australia needs a structured criteria, but what seems to work in other Countries can work here. Have national squads (youth and adult), have a criteria to make these squads, then work with these ppl, and then when trips come around give the coaches some accountability to select the best inform bowlers from the squad.

Australia may be small on the scale of world wide bowling..but we can use what the leading countries use for national teams...if there was a fair and equitable assessment criteria which could be used over one weekend or one day..i think it would have already been created by these leading countries.

 

[Jase]

Who's got 50 players rolling off for Rachuig this year? Congratulations on your fine work if you have!

Would there be 50 Rachuig players competing at Rachuig this year…

Good luck to all those Rolling off for the Australian team…So who is buying a ticket in the Lottery…19 tickets to sell, before the 5 can be drawn…

 

[CHIN]

Chin,
Its not quite like that. The effort put into the criteria was 100%, it was just the time they had to put it together plus a few other things made sure the criteria was going to be below par......
Belmo

Thats what I was aiming at Jason. Why have they had so little time to put the criteria together. Are these World events thrown together at the last minute and everybody informed 2-3 months before the event or years in advance.
It seems most of these other countries that are being mentioned have had there squads picked for qute some time, even 12 months in advance.
Look at the Youth squad. Picked 3 weeks ago now I think & there going away in mid July arent they. They have to find $5,000-$6,000 in 5 weeks.
Seem to be a pattern.

 

[rambo1]

Look at the Youth squad. Picked 3 weeks ago now I think & there going away in mid July arent they. They have to find $5,000-$6,000 in 5 weeks.
Seem to be a pattern.

i think the new CEO should sponsor the youth team to show good faith

 

[Dozza]

That's really funny rambo1 but maybe you should start the ball rolling.

Dozza

 

[philby]

What i do find interesting about this post is the fact that not many bowlers have put there hand up. It would be a great honor to represent your county. I haven't seen one post here from any of the youth bowlers who attended the camp to select there team. They new it was going to cost lots. Did they care. No of course not because they are passionate.

Seems to me like our top players may have lost the passion. I hope this isn't the case. Come on guys put your hand up and give it a go. I cant think of any honor greater than pulling on the Green and Gold. If you show the same passion that our youth bowlers have shown there might be somebody out there like Doriana prepared to help you achieve your goal.

With all this negativity about i doubt it.

Phil

And yes if i had the skill level required i would be there in a flash

 

[rambo1]

dozza the new CEO & the revamped tbal was going to make a diffence several months on what has changed?
i do contribute i pay my membership every year hoping my money goes to a good cause eg: helping sending teams overseas
FYI i regularly donate products to the juniors from my pro shops so they can raise money for their representative duties & also sell them bowling gear @ a heavily reduced price to help them

 

[jason_doust]

What i do find interesting about this post is the fact that not many bowlers have put there hand up... I haven't seen one post here from any of the youth bowlers who attended the camp to select there team. They new it was going to cost lots. Did they care. No of course not because they are passionate.
Seems to me like our top players may have lost the passion...

No, I suspect it's more like they have mortgages, spouses / jobs they'd like to hang on to or just can't / won't get their parents to cough up for it.

That is, they have worthwhile and quite fundamental commitments that take priority over bowling. Google "Maslow's heirarchy of needs" if you need further explanation.

 

[Jez]

No, I suspect it's more like they have mortgages, spouses / jobs they'd like to hang on to or just can't / won't get their parents to cough up for it.
That is, they have worthwhile and quite fundamental commitments that take priority over bowling. Google "Maslow's heirarchy of needs" if you need further explanation.

Jase you could not have explained it better,

Philby, to question the passion of adult bowlers expressing their opinion on the criteria to make a national team is soo far off the mark it is not funny...Maybe ppl are outlining their opinion about the criteria coz they are very passionate about the national team !!!!

Ask the Youth guys what they thought of the roll off process and costs associated with it...you will get similar responses to what is being stated on this thread!!!!

On my trips o/s..Passion is one thing the OZ team has got probably more than any other team that is competing over there...and here you are questioning it.......I know i am and sure others are quite upset about ur comments

 

[mattr]

Jase you could not have explained it better,
Philby, to question the passion of adult bowlers expressing their opinion on the criteria to make a national team is soo far off the mark it is not funny...Maybe ppl are outlining their opinion about the criteria coz they are very passionate about the national team !!!!
Ask the Youth guys what they thought of the roll off process and costs associated with it...you will get similar responses to what is being stated on this thread!!!!
On my trips o/s..Passion is one thing the OZ team has got probably more than any other team that is competing over there...and here you are questioning it.......I know i am and sure others are quite upset about ur comments

well said

totally agree with you there Jez