7 x 300 Games In 1st 8 Games Matchplay Pepsi Open

[CHIN]

AND PEOPLE SAY THE SCORING IS GETTING RIDICULOUS IN TOURNAMENTS HERE.

Scores After 8 Games Matchplay

Pos Name Hometown W-L-T Total +/- 200 Pins Back Average

1 Michael Machuga Erie, Pa. 5-3-0 8166 +1766 - 250.50
2 Patrick Allen Wesley Chapel, Fla. 4-4-0 8099 +1699 - 249.34
3 Ritchie Allen Columbia, S.C. 6-2-0 8063 +1663 - 246.34
4 Walter Ray Williams Jr. Ocala, Fla. 5-3-0 8060 +1660 - 247.19
5 Wes Malott Pflugerville, Texas 7-1-0 8003 +1603 - 243.53
6 Wayne Garber Modesto, Calif. 5-3-0 7997 +1597 - 245.22
7 Brad Angelo Lockport, N.Y. 6-2-0 7991 +1591 -6 244.09
8 Jason Couch Clermont, Fla. 4-3-1 7988 +1588 -9 245.41
9 Billy Oatman Chicago 3-5-0 7965 +1565 -32 246.09
10 Mike Scroggins Amarillo, Texas 2-6-0 7960 +1560 -37 246.88
11 Mike Fagan Patchogue, N.Y. 5-3-0 7945 +1545 -52 243.59
12 Cassidy Schaub Ashland, Ohio 3-5-0 7915 +1515 -82 244.53
13 Jeff Carter Springfield, Ill. 5-2-1 7887 +1487 -110 241.31
14 David Ruder Edmond, Okla. 5-3-0 7829 +1429 -168 239.97
15 Parker Bohn III Jackson, N.J. 3-4-1 7792 +1392 -205 240.22
16 Tommy Jones Simpsonville, S.C. 4-4-0 7750 +1350 -247 238.44
17 Gilbert Sanchez Mulvane, Kan. 4-4-0 7735 +1335 -262 237.97
18 Ryan Ciminelli Cheektowaga, N.Y. 4-4-0 7709 +1309 -288 237.16
19 Liz Johnson Cheektowaga, N.Y. 4-4-0 7689 +1289 -308 236.53
20 Cory Simmons Wichita, Kan. 3-5-0 7631 +1231 -366 235.66
21 Mitch Beasley Puyallup, Wash. 4-3-1 7612 +1212 -385 233.66
21 Todd Book Wapakoneta, Ohio 0-8-0 7612 +1212 -385 237.88
23 Jason Sterner McDonough, Ga. 3-5-0 7600 +1200 -397 234.69
24 Andrew Mortensen Tulsa, Okla 0-8-0 7463 +1063 -534 233.22


High Games 1st 8 Games of Matchplay

Game 1:
300 Garber
300 Mallott
290 Williams

Game 2:
299 R Allen

Game 3:
300 R Allen
290 Fagan

Game 4:
300 Couch
299 Mallot

Game 5:
278 Mallot

Game 6:
278 P Allen

Game 7:
300 Machuga - 289 Fagan

Game 8:
300 Williams - 279 Scroggins
300 Ruder

 

[wchester]

The oil patterns being used in this PBA event are the brainchild of the USBC, and NOT the PBA. What it shows us, is just how good the pros really are. Most of these PBA finalists are excellent shot repeaters and that's why they are shooting 'lights out' over 32 games of tournament play. We have some good players in Australia and one great player (Belmonte), but these PBA members are just that much better.

 

[CHIN]

You get people bagging high scoring tournaments here when the top 1/2 dozen average over 230+.

When it happens that to top 30 are averaging around 240+ in a PBA event its a different story.

I suppose they needed a boost to there confidence after some of the scores that were winning some of the World Series Bowling finals. The only repeated shot making in some of those games were repatedly bad shots.

Be interesting to run these patterns in a tournament here. And no im certainly not saying the winner will finish over +2500 after 48 games in a tournament here.

Well maybe Belmo.

 

[da_cowman]

I posted in the other thread about this tournament. It's purpose was to replace the Ultimate Scoring Championship. Except not on modified house patterns. Just plain old House Patterns. The Red, White and Blue patterns are the start of a concept that all leagues would one day use USBC approved conditions and the patterns could be ranked on their toughness similar to golf courses.

These are houseshots and the Pro's are destroying them. It's a message to every 200 house hack that these are absolutely 40-50 pins a game better then you.

Wayne, How can you judge against Belmo on this event?? He's not even there. Belmo's performance at the World Series of Bowling, after a slow start, was quite respectable. And from watching, I would've picked Belmo to still be in the running for this one...

Cow

 

[wchester]

Sorry Cow...It wasn't meant to read like I was saying Belmo wasn't in their class...
I was actually referring to the rest of Australia's bowlers ...re We have some good players in Australia

 

[GoTheCell]

hmmm, another "bowlers in Australia are not worthy" post by Wayne..........

 

[wchester]

hmmm, another "bowlers in Australia are not worthy" post by Wayne..........

hmmm yourself...if you believe I'm wrong in this instance, go ahead and tell us which of our bowlers (outside of Belmo) are good enough to keep up with the PBA pros who made the cut this week.

oh and while I'm replying to your inane post..would you like me to PM you in the future whenever I post something on Totalbowling, making it easier for you to follow me around and try to discredit me with yet another of your "don't listen to Wayne" posts?

 

[GoTheCell]

I never said you were right or wrong.

I just don't think people who bowl in Australia need someone constantly telling them they are not as good as other bowlers whether it is right or wrong.

If you can't see the reasoning behind that then you need to go have a good hard think about it and maybe even ask someone to explain it to you.

 

[MR HOLD3M]

I reckon George would have done well on this pattern .Cheers Ralph.

 

[Big G]

If Australian bowlers bowled for a living like these guys do, then I'm sure that we would have a few contenders.

 

[granto]

Well said Big G, could not agree more.

 

[bigman]

If Australian bowlers bowled for a living like these guys do, then I'm sure that we would have a few contenders.

indeed ive seen many young bowlers with almost 200+ avg and some of then crank it hard to so yeh im sure we would.

but theres no way we can do it for a living here lol.

 

[jason_doust]

It'd be fun to watch those guys freewheeling after playing on that toasted surface at the world series.

We're not as good as the better PBA players. Simple. Anyone thinking otherwise is to be commended for their optimism, but sadly, we're not. It's got nothing to do with rev rate, either. (Sounds funny coming from me, I know!) Look at the names on top. House shots, like modern balls, are designed for the straighter player and tend to punish really heavy roll. These guys repeat just like machines.

Not to say all bowlers from the US are better than us. There's plenty of players that couldn't make a cut here (some with PBA cards, but don't include the exempt pro's in that statement) and vise versa.

We just don't have the population base to spawn as many good players. Bowling is a national sport in the US. Their coaching standards (overall) are far and above what we can get to here. They also have the shoulders of many more giants to stand on with regard to accessing experience. We are a smaller pool and it just makes it numerically difficult for us. We also have much better weather, so who knows how many great bowlers just played another sport instead of bowling through the long US winter? Maybe all those cold winter months in Orange helped shape Belmo a little more! (Along with free practice!)

Oh yeah... People in the US have a lot more access to cheap practice! You have to bowl out of normal hours, but it's there if you're looking! Pu t it together with a good coach and how much better is THAT going to make you?

Cheers,
Jason

 

[granto]

Also well said Jason. You have hit the nail on the head!!!

 

[Glenno]

The oil patterns being used in this PBA event are the brainchild of the USBC, and NOT the PBA. What it shows us, is just how good the pros really are. Most of these PBA finalists are excellent shot repeaters and that's why they are shooting 'lights out' over 32 games of tournament play. We have some good players in Australia and one great player (Belmonte), but these PBA members are just that much better.

Im sure if Australia had 300 million people we would be just as good

 

[AdrianS]

And if we'd been 'bowling' since 1895!!!! Have done pretty well seeing weve only been about for 50 yrs.

 

[Troyza]

I just don't think people who bowl in Australia need someone constantly telling them they are not as good as other bowlers whether it is right or wrong.

Even though it's true? Telling people they are a " special unique snowflake " will only lead to misguided egoism. If Australians want to become a better class of bowlers, then we need to approach the situation with half a glass, & take what we can get, Instead of settling at a level we think is professional, when clearly tournaments like this show us our level is not so professional.

These high scoring tournaments are definitely a wake up call, I think.

 

[GoTheCell]

I am not denying that the PBA bowlers are better. They are.

All I am saying is we don't need the negativity of our bowlers constantly being told we are not good enough.

How about saying it along the lines of "keep practising and one day you could reach this level" or something along those lines. I believe it is called diplomacy and yeah I know that sounds wrong coming from me.

We just need to get rid of the negativity from within our own ranks

 

[Geoff300]

I would love to find out the ratio of games bowled for a 300 in the USA vs AUST
amongst general league play, not in tourn play

Today it appears to be just too easy and when things become too easy they lose the value of achievement. 250 back 20 years = 300 today

 

[Troyza]

GoTheCell I think you missed my point. Euphimisms can't really hide the truth, & the truth is we do suck in general compared to America. It's just who takes offense to the hard truth, & who embraces it & uses it as fuel to get better. P: Not saying encouraging words shouldn't be used, obviously they should. But before those encouraging words can take full positive effect, one needs to understand exactly where they stand. Only then can that encouragment have any real benefit. Otherwise it would be much similar to building a house out of sticks, & getting it blown over by a slight breeze... which could become fairly detrimental to ones ability.

I dunno, just my view of things.