Country Cup Format - Does It Need To Change?

[craig]

isn't it funny, the more we speak about rules

the more we see how all we do is restrict who cannot bowl, i think it funny, when we always wonder why others sports are so successful.

and we are just referred to as an activity/game

bit like saying americans can only compete in the u.s open (and that would apply to all sports) that run this event

 

[bowlrig]

Woza,
At the last VCTBA meeting, this rule was discussed at the request of an individual requiring clarification and it was decided to leave the rule as written ~ "3. TEAM PLAYERS & OFFICIALS

(a) Each team player must be a registered member, in good standing, of the local association or registered bowling centre they are representing. They will represent the first centre/country association they are registered with, as long as they bowl a league in that centre, and do not reside within a 60 kilometre radius of the Melbourne area. Team players must be a resident of the association/centre they are representing for a period of at least six (6) months prior to the tournament.
(b) Each official or non playing member must hold a current TBA registration card and be in good standing."

Also the only way that this may be changed is at the AGM.

Rob

 

[bowlrig]

isn't it funny, the more we speak about rules
the more we see how all we do is restrict who cannot bowl, i think it funny, when we always wonder why others sports are so successful.
and we are just referred to as an activity/game
bit like saying americans can only compete in the u.s open (and that would apply to all sports) that run this event

I am sure Farky would had an offer on the table for you mate.

Rob

 

[slugga]

Woza,
Also the only way that this may be changed is at the AGM.
Rob

Rob, I believe that changes can be made during a normal meeting, as it would not be a change to the constitution, but rather a change to the tournament rules.
I stand corrected if I am wrong.
How was your weekend?
Doug

 

[Purple_Tweety]

How is a resident clarified? How many nights per week? Every single night? Residential address?

 

[bowlrig]

Rob, I believe that changes can be made during a normal meeting, as it would not be a change to the constitution, but rather a change to the tournament rules.
I stand corrected if I am wrong.
How was your weekend?
Doug

Hi Doug,
You may be right. But in saying that the rule was there in the first place anyway.

The weekend went well, the wedding was great and so were the many kegs consumed later at the reception.

We will be back at Country Cup next year though.

Rob

 

[bowlrig]

How is a resident clarified? How many nights per week? Every single night? Residential address?

Live in that town/city permanantly at a guess.

Or

Live in that town/city legally.

Rob

 

[ThEOnE]

In the current constitution you are not allowed to bowl games on Friday - I believe

Does anyone know if this is true, i really would like some clarification from the actual constitution if posible.
Maybe you might have it Rob?

 

[bowlrig]

Does anyone know if this is true, i really would like some clarification from the actual constitution if posible.
Maybe you might have it Rob?

I can not find anywhere that says we can not bowl on the Friday night, but I think it would be a bit hard. I know some did not arrive in Sale till well after midnight. Sometimes work and other things have to come into the equation.

Rob

 

[Assassin_300]

Hey guys

Heard this metioned many times over the weekend,some for change others against,the reason I heard for change was Majoritively the finishing time which was approximately 2.30 am,I think there has been an overreaction to the situation, to put in in perspective

Sale had the slowest machines I/we have ever bowled on cycle times varied dramatically depending on what lane you were on (an example of time lost there is already up previously in this thread) Sale Oiled (and I know they had to)after every block so instead over 2 Oils we had 4 there is an extra hour

So if we say 1 hour extra in lost time due to machine cycle and 1 hour due to extra oiling theres 2 hours per day, which brings us back to 12:30 am which is when the men finished last year at Bendigo and more or less brings us back to other years in the past,

My point is Country Cup Is one of the most competitve tournements because of the format we use.......Eg

1.)Hosting Centre puts down house condition not what is best to make a score

2.)Every second years dependant on center size you will be bowling intill 12:30 am in the morning,(Except when Centres with lane capacity hold men and women together)

3.)It Is over 3 days with alternating squads on and off

This is extremely challenging both physically and mentally which I think is what makes this tournement what it is

I dont think change is needed to fix the problems but maybe a streamlining of the way things are done

Cheerz
Kevin

 

[craig]

I am sure Farky would had an offer on the table for you mate.
Rob

did i miss something???

 

[tenpin albury]

I think you hit the nail right on the head there Kev. They were suprisingly slow machines but at the end of the day that couldn't be helped and neither could the lane maintenance (one of the cons of having wood lanes still, believe me I know...) But I don't think the format needs to be "CHANGED" just tighten up the screws a bit... and the "G" thing we'll just have to wait and see...lol

 

[Tucker]

Heaps of time was lost simply because most frames required that two balls be thrown, rather than just the strike ball as it did last year in Bendigo. Over the course of 100 individual games per team, this could easily have accounted for an extra couple hundred shots on each lane.

Tuck

 

[kimmyj]

that sort of thing really varies from centre to centre though..
sale had really hard lane conditions but everyone struggled thats the thing..
just because last year at bendigo higher games were bowled and more strikes were bowled doesnt mean it will be that way this year or next year.. it depends on the lane condition and the shots that the bowlers put down there...

 

[Woza]

Woza,
At the last VCTBA meeting, this rule was discussed at the request of an individual requiring clarification and it was decided to leave the rule as written ~ "3. TEAM PLAYERS & OFFICIALS
(a) Each team player must be a registered member, in good standing, of the local association or registered bowling centre they are representing. They will represent the first centre/country association they are registered with, as long as they bowl a league in that centre, and do not reside within a 60 kilometre radius of the Melbourne area. Team players must be a resident of the association/centre they are representing for a period of at least six (6) months prior to the tournament.
(b) Each official or non playing member must hold a current TBA registration card and be in good standing."
Also the only way that this may be changed is at the AGM.
Rob

Isnt this what I said - I can live in Morwell (outside the 60km city centre zone) and I can join the Sunraysia association (pay my TBA membership through them) and bowl a league there - as long as I have been a member there for 6 months I can represent them for CCup.
There is no zoning/residency rule that says that I have to play for Morwell.

The non-playing member/official ruling allows guys such as Wayne Palbury to be involved

 

[bowlrig]

Woza, It states that you must be a RESIDENT (not member) for 6 months.

Rob

 

[Purple_Tweety]

That rule as Rob has typed it states team players must be a resident not officials.

Hmm this rule has sparked a lot of conversation.

Each centre would also have it's own criteria that all country cup bowlers must obide by too. Our centre states you must be a full time league bowler and as we don't run a phantom league every bowler would have to come into the centre every week to bowl league.

 

[grumpie]

Woza, It states that you must be a RESIDENT (not member) for 6 months.
Rob

OK now I am really confused.

Case 1 - when Bairnsdale was still open, bowlers who lived in Sale but bowled league in Bairnsdale were able to represent Bairnsdale.

Case 2 - Grumpy and I bowl a league at Sale and a league at Morwell. We bowl at Morwell as there is no 2nd league available to us at Sale that suits our schedule. We pay our TBA portion at Sale (which is what we choose to do) and only the LV portion at Morwell. We do not live in Morwell and we do not live in Sale.

Liz

 

[craig]

bloomin fence sitters

 

[wheelbarrow]

did i miss something???

Maybe you did.