How CAn We Help Country Cup

[bowlrig]

One more option that could be looked at (AGAIN), is it viable to start the competition on Friday

To start on the Friday night is not viable, for us at least, when we have to travel any further than about 5 hours. This would mean an extra day off, which would be a struggle for most of the team here or leaving at 4 or 5 am in the morning and basically walking straight into the bowl and starting.

Safety and bowler welfare must come into all and any changes that may or may not happen.

It is a bit the same as bowling C/Cup over Easter, it is just not practical for 70% of our bowlers.

There are solutions out there, we just have to find them.



Rob.

 

[Deano]

This might sound silly but may work. How about we bowl one round head to head. Then play another round head to head but do the Baker system or mayber even 2 rounds. It would work out less games which equals less times. Hey its just a idea even though i expect it knocked straight away.

Dean

 

[OTB]

This might sound silly but may work. How about we bowl one round head to head. Then play another round head to head but do the Baker system or mayber even 2 rounds. It would work out less games which equals less times. Hey its just a idea even though i expect it knocked straight away.
Dean

Deano
It shouldnt get knocked, its an idea, it should get spoken about and considered with all other ideas. And to be honest, it's not the worst one I've ever heard.

Has anyone checked how long a baker game takes? I've only ever played em in practice for something different.
If it takes 15 minutes, you could always play 2 game baker matches with overall points on offer as well. You've still gained an aweful lot of time.

David

 

[Gatsby]

I have been doing a bit of thinking about what people have been saying and it seems the common complaints are as follows

1) Too late finishing Monday night
2) Less atmosphere due to long gap between men and womens blocks because of lane maintenance
3) Too early starting each day
4) Too late finishing each day
5) Not enough time to socialise because of late finish and early starts

There have been 11 suggestions so far – as follows

1) Don’t have lane maintenance every 4 games (leave everything else the same )– save 1.5-2hrs per day
2) Bowl 8 games Men and then 8 games women (or vice versa) with lane maintenance after 8 games – save 1.5 – 2hrs per day
3) Reduce competition to 4 man teams (or 4 woman teams) – would save about 3 hrs over Saturday and Sunday
4) Revert to 10 teams and 7 games Saturday, 7 Sunday, 4 Monday format
5) Bowl an extra game of men and women on Saturday thus reducing finishing time on the Monday by about 2 hrs
6) Change the competition to positional with a designated number of games per day.
7) Seed the draw into two groups based on overall placing from year before with teams 1-6 and 7-12 playing other members in their group twice and members in other group once – total 16 games for both divisions – could have 6/6/4 – early finish Saturday late start Sunday and have Saturday night get together
8) Split men and women between two centres both bowling at the same time eg Albury and Wodonga
9) Move to neutral centre every year that have at least 24 lanes
10) Bowl some of the games Friday afternoon or night to reduce load on rest of weekend … maybe 3 games of both Friday night (6pm -12am) then 7 sat, 7 Sunday and 5 Monday …. Or earlier start Friday 4pm – 12am – 4 games of both and then 7/7/4 on following days.
11) How about we bowl one round head to head. Then play another round head to head but do the Baker system or maybe even 2 rounds. It would work out to be less games which equals less time.

Personally, I like the Friday bowling idea the most because it makes the weekend more manageable and an earlier finish Monday (4pm finish means everyone could get home Monday night).

 

[Gatsby]

In my opinion the best solutions are the ones that tries to keep the basic qualities of the existing tournament. The basic format is bowl in all centres, against all teams, five man teams scratch head to head. I'm not keen on radicaa changes because then it is no longer country cup.

On this basis, i don't like the idea of 4 man teams, positional all weekend, baker system, bowling in neutral centres, seeding the draw etc.

Next year at Albury, both Mildura and Warrnambool have the longest drives (both around 7hrs -- 8-9 hours if you allow for sensible amount of stops).

If they left at 7am they could arrive Albury 4pm -- for a 6 pm start or even 8pm start ... i still think that anything that can make the Monday finish earlier should be explored.

 

[ace_hi]

Gary I believe that is the most sensible idea to come out of this thread so far...
I have bowled in Country cup when we only went one round right at the start and people said when we agreed to change to 2 rounds we would eventually run into trouble when extra teams came aboard...but going back on the number of games is not an option as the competition the way it is is a very hard tourament to win ask KEV...thats what makes most of keep coming back each year...so Friday seems the only sensible option at this stage..

Just my two bobs worth

Brian Walsh

 

[grumpie]

This might sound silly but may work. How about we bowl one round head to head. Then play another round head to head but do the Baker system or mayber even 2 rounds. It would work out less games which equals less times. Hey its just a idea even though i expect it knocked straight away.
Dean

I actually like this idea, baker system requires a team to be totally focused for the two frames they bowl and usually creates high scores.
So i dont think its a silly idea
Grumpy

 

[Gatsby]

Gary I believe that is the most sensible idea to come out of this thread so far...

I agree -- i just can't believe motta was the one that suggested it!

Still has some big problems for Mildura, but who knows we may be able to work it out and come up with a workable proposal we can take to VCTBA

 

[Deano]

I will tell you now if we have to bowl on the friday i wont be going but thats just me. I would like everyone to drive for 9 hours then get out of there car and bowl 2 hours later. If anyone has ever travelled even 6 hours and then tried to bowl im quite sure that its not a good preperation to bowl a tournament.
Deano

 

[wheelbarrow]

I happen to like point number 2 on Gary's post.

Bowl 8 straight, changeover, then oil for the start of the next group.

A small change, with a dramatic result.

Get's back the atmosphere
More of a break, therefore rest would be better
More of a chance to socialise

We will never make everybody happy, but we do need to find an answer that MOST like.

Are we able to set up a poll to find the most acceptable by those that read the thread.

Gary - do you know how? We then may find the one that most like, and therefore push the one, instead of many.

David

 

[ThEOnE]

I agree -- i just can't believe motta was the one that suggested it!Why is it so hard to believe? I dont drink ALL day!
Still has some big problems for Mildura, but who knows we may be able to work it out and come up with a workable proposal we can take to VCTBA

To start on the Friday night is not viable, for us at least, when we have to travel any further than about 5 hours. This would mean an extra day off, which would be a struggle for most of the team here or leaving at 4 or 5 am in the morning and basically walking straight into the bowl and starting.
Safety and bowler welfare must come into all and any changes that may or may not happen.
It is a bit the same as bowling C/Cup over Easter, it is just not practical for 70% of our bowlers.More likely 95% of all bowlers.
There are solutions out there, we just have to find them.
Rob.

I know it may be hard, but if we put it up and know about it year after year we can plan and manage the extra day.
It may be the fact far away teams have to leave after work the thursday and have the extra cost of accomodation.
At the end of the day how much are we willing to spent to bowl at this event, personally i would rather spend the extra $100 or so for another night and $300 or so on extra staff for our shop to have extended weekend, but again thats just me I may be on my own here but thats OK.
I mean we usually leave on the thursday to go to Mildura anyway.
I would love to see the friday bowling get off the ground, but i do know it affects Mildura (the most), Warrnambool, Sale, Albury and L.V areas mosre than others but is there a possible way we can find some kind of common ground on this issue?
Maybe we could try and organise some kind of subsidy for the Thursday night accomodation? Not sure how but its worth a thought!

 

[baldrick299@bigpond.com]

I am of the understanding that S.A.Counrty Cup Out grew their country centres quite some time ago and so their tournament could move foward and grow to include more teams they had to move to a carnival in a central location Adelaide.
For Counrty Cup to expand and include a growing number of Country Associations why not altenate between the large contry centres and metro centres willing to host such a great event.


Rick

 

[Gatsby]

Are we able to set up a poll to find the most acceptable by those that read the thread.
Gary - do you know how? We then may find the one that most like, and therefore push the one, instead of many.
David

Only problem with a poll is that it is anonymous and therefore 50 country cup bowlers might vote for option 2 and 200 non-country cup bowlers could vote for something different and we go down the wrong track.
I would rather do the poll on the actual thread so we know who has voted for what (hopefully that would work) ... eg
1) - 0 Votes
2) - 1 vote..... David Farky
3) - 0 Votes
4) - 0 Votes
5) - 0 Votes
6) - 0 Votes
7) - 0 Votes
8) - 0 Votes
9) - 0 Votes
10) - 1 Vote ..... Gary Black
11) - 1 Vote ... Deano
12) - 0 Votes

Options can be found on post 44 of this thread
add to the options .... 12) ---- NO CHANGE TO CURRENT FORMAT

Just add your name to an option and change the number

 

[Deano]

i will vote for number 11 thanks
Deano

 

[ace_hi]

I will vote for number 10 thanks

Brian Walsh

 

[ThEOnE]

I am of the understanding that S.A.Counrty Cup Out grew their country centres quite some time ago and so their tournament could move foward and grow to include more teams they had to move to a carnival in a central location Adelaide.
For Counrty Cup to expand and include a growing number of Country Associations why not altenate between the large contry centres and metro centres willing to host such a great event.
Rick

This has been discussed a few time last year rick, and for the majority it was not very popular. For one reason was the economic benifits it has for the bowl hosting the event as well as the towns it is held in, for Geelong which is a thriving metropolitin area may not realise the benifits as say....Colac, Sale or Morwell. Its a big deal with many areas economy not being able to cope with having over $100,000+ walk away to metro areas! The social and economic climate in regional victoria needs these events and MUST not be taken away from it, I have made this point very clear in the past and am absolutely passionate about it as a business owner myself!
11 ass, 2 teams of 7 = 154 bowlers @ $400 ave for accomodation $61600
154 people eating & drinking for three days $30p/d ave = $13860
Just for the bowlers not counting actually bowling, spectators, family and they are very conservative as I spend close to $1000 for the weekend.

 

[Gatsby]

1) - 0 Votes
2) - 1 vote..... David Farky
3) - 0 Votes
4) - 0 Votes
5) - 0 Votes
6) - 0 Votes
7) - 0 Votes
8) - 0 Votes
9) - 0 Votes
10) - 3 Votes ..... Gary Black, Brian Walsh, Jason Motta
11) - 1 Vote ... Dean McKinnon
12) - 0 Votes

http://www.totalbowling.com.au/forum/showpost.php?p=180917&postcount=44
Plus option 12 - no change
(Probably no reason why people could not choose more than one option if there is more than one they like.)

 

[ThEOnE]

My vote is for 10

 

[bowlrig]

I am of the understanding that S.A.Counrty Cup Out grew their country centres quite some time ago and so their tournament could move foward and grow to include more teams they had to move to a carnival in a central location Adelaide.
For Counrty Cup to expand and include a growing number of Country Associations why not altenate between the large contry centres and metro centres willing to host such a great event.
Rick

I do believe that the SA country Cup is now down to 4 associations so the move to neutral centres has been more of a downfall than progressive.

Rob

 

[bowlrig]

I will go with #7 but with an amendment that the seedings go teams 1,3,5,7,9 & 11 Div A and teams 2,4,6,8,10 & 12 from the previous years overall results.

Rob