Becoming a Team Manager Please Note

[Jase]

From January 1st 2008 all State Team Managers must be accredited as TBA Team Managers and ASC Level One Officials...

The combined course is now available in all States and Territories, please contact your State Association representative for further details.

All Accredited Team Managers will receive a Certificate and Identification Tag which must be worn at events and will be checked by Tournament Officials.

They will also be registered as qualified for 2 years...

Do you think this will make it harder for teams to find managers????

I know in Sth QLD they find it hard to get a coach for there Rachuig Teams since it’s now compulsory to be a Level 2 Coach to Travel with the Teams…

At the end of the day do these Teams need Managers and Coaches or do they just need Team motivators to help build confidence and a bond in the teams…

There is also a cost involved with this course…

 

[speedwaystar]

jase your right it's all about motivation,support etc.Most of the teams have bowlers who are capable of knowing what to do and how to bowl so no need to be told.we need to encourage the coaches to start at the grassroots level instead so that theres juniors capable in the future to keep our national tournaments competeive and exciting.

 

[Swine]

I totally agree with you Jase, it harder to find Level 2 in S.A to

 

[June Voukolos]

Jason,
This is a new era in sport management and part of the process for National Sporting Organisations is to educate both coaches and officials to be competent to carry out the duties, knowing all of the risks involved in coaching, managing and travelling with teams and being able to handle any situation that arises as well as knowing nutritional and recovery processes for the athletes and we are talking the elite bowlers in this country in junior, youth, adult and seniors. As part of the Managers course is the Level One General Principles then Managers are educated in communication, crisis management and cultural awareness. We are very much aware of the cost involved to take teams away, time off work etc but we are also aware of the fact that the volunteers often put up their hand with no knowledge of what the job involves and not much help from state associations. As far as coaches go if you cannot send a coach from your state there are both Level 2 and High Performance Coaches who will draft from other states paying their own expenses to assist teams. This already happens with Junior and Youth Coaches and Managers.
I hope this helps towards an understanding of the Team Managers Course. And yes like all courses there is a cost involved.
June Voukolos

 

[Jase]

Jason,
As far as coaches go if you cannot send a coach from your state there are both Level 2 and High Performance Coaches who will draft from other states paying their own expenses to assist teams. This already happens with Junior and Youth Coaches and Managers.
I hope this helps towards an understanding of the Team Managers Course. And yes like all courses there is a cost involved.
June Voukolos

June,

Can you tell us of the costs for this course...
How long does it take to do the course?
Is there on going costs and updated training that is required every year?
Do you need to do this course to be a Manager of an Association Team???
If you don’t do this course are you not permitted to apply for a State Managers position?

Also if these coaches are willing to assist other states in the way of a Draft…do they travel to these states through out the year and do some coaching on the players of those respective teams?

If so who covers these costs, and if not then how are these coaches able to help players that they know nothing about or about there games, or never spent any time with these players before…It takes more than 5 minutes with each player to build, one a bond and two some knowledge of there game not to mention how the team plays together…

I think it’s great if you have other states that are over loaded by coaches willing to help South QLD teams or other teams that struggle to get coaches…Maybe TBA could form a list and either advertise it on this site, TBA’s site or pass it around to the State Associations that struggle to fill that position so they have that assurance…

Your shot at State Associations not helping is a bit uncalled for, considering you wouldn’t know how much assistance that the State Associations give to these people of whom have nominated for these positions…Unless you're speaking from experience or is that what happens in the N.T…Mind you I do find that hard to believe also…

To be honest for the want of a better word…Assistance from TBA in both these positions perhaps with a document drawn up stating what is expected of these people once they are accepted in these positions, and it could be handed to these people, might be a little more rewarding rather than just adding more financial costs to a position that already costs them over $1,000.00 and for what???
Most of the time Managers are doing these Teams a favor…For the last 2 years South QLD have sent Teams away and had Player Managers as well as trying to compete…

I can see this new policy being rewarding for people needing to Manage National Teams…But for a State Team, I don’t agree that it something TBA need to make it compulsory or you cannot apply to manage a state team unless you attend this course…

Like I said since the introduction of Compulsory Level 2 requirements to coach a State Team, speaking on behalf of both North and South Teams they struggle every year to fill these positions…Now this will just make it even harder as we need to get Managers who have sat this course as well…

Just my opinion…

 

[DrewC]

We just ran the new managers course down in the ACT. We made the decision to offset the costs of the course to keep the costs low for participants. We had 18 people complete the training over two nights about 3 1/2 hours per night.
The feedback has been very positive with many long term managers saying they benefitted greatly from the information being provided.
Whether this will translate into people putting their hands up to take away teams we will have to wait and see but from all reports the course is well worth doing.

Cheers
Drew

 

[June Voukolos]

Hi Jason,
The team managers course is run over 8-10 hours and can be done in one day or over 2 or 3 nights to suit applicants. The course is run by the State Associations and they set the fees to cover venue hire, refreshments, presenter fee and TBA registration for each manager which is $20. As the course includes the Level One General Principles of Officiating, the managers will be registered both with the ASC and TBA and will receive a certificate and an id tag and be registered for 2 years. They will also be included in an email mailing list for updated education and topics of information provided by the NSO. I have not had a go at the State Associations as you view it but stated a fact. Most of the State Associations are run by volunteers who give many hours of their time and skills to the bowlers and administering the sport but they do not always have the time to devote to helping managers prepare risk management plans, emergency development plans or assist with crisis management. I of all people know what is involved in working in state associations.

As far as the coaching draft goes, the state associations advise me if they cannot get a coach and I contact all Level 2 and High Performance Coaches who appear on the TBA website to see if they would like to draft. Sometimes the coaches share costs with the State Association in question to run a clinic prior to the event but most work with video analysis, email and phone until the event. It is up to the coach and state association to negotiate costs for the coach. This is not an ideal situation but it works and has worked for the last 3 years with some state teams and it provides opportunities for coaches who are in states where there are a lot of coaches available to travel with teams.
Hope this information helps.
June

 

[Jase]

Thanks for the input June

 

[DaleS]

Thanks to those that have provided information, however, I have another question:

As previously stated the local associations will be running these managers courses and as again as previously mentioned the cost will be $20.00 plus any additional costs for venue, refreshments, presenter fee etc as deemed necessary by the local association.

My question is as follows, does TBA have details of who would be presenting the courses, as I would have thought (with all due respect to these people) that the knowledge & skills required to present this course may be in fact outside those currently possessed by our level 2 (even the high performance) coaches.

In other words do we have anyone within TBA that is qualified enough to present the course or will it be outsourced and if so to whom (if that is known) ?

 

[June Voukolos]

Dale,
Each state association has a group of presenters and some of the High Performance and Level 2 Coaches are also qualified with workplace training and assessment skills which is certainly enough to present this course. Keep in mind that the recovery and nutrition information is similar to that of a Level 2 Coach as the coaches and Managers must have the same information to operate as a team. The units included most certainly cover all aspects of the position. Further information can be attained from Gail Torrens and TBAQ as they have the course.
June Voukolos

 

[ifwirra]

This is all vey well, but to me the imporant thing that is being overlooked is the harmony within the team. If a manager is appointed that has not the teams fullest confidence that would be a minus, as for being told what to do by someone who had a 8hr course, this would not go down well with some of our senoirs who have been bowling in aust. tourneys for 30 odd yrs and have been very successful without managers and coaches.

 

[Jase]

We just ran the new managers course down in the ACT. We made the decision to offset the costs of the course to keep the costs low for participants. We had 18 people complete the training over two nights about 3 1/2 hours per night.
The feedback has been very positive with many long term managers saying they benefitted greatly from the information being provided.
Whether this will translate into people putting their hands up to take away teams we will have to wait and see but from all reports the course is well worth doing.
Cheers
Drew

If it’s not a rude Question how much did each person pay to go on and complete the course???

Also how did or what did you guys do down there to offset costs???

 

[Serenity]

When is the next such course to be run in NSW this year?

( sydney area in particular ) ? Can anyone let me know.

 

[Cutting Edge]

Response to ifwirra: Thats a positive message to post (NOT) I guess you will just have to live with it IF you bowl in a state team from 2008onwards.

 

[June Voukolos]

It is obvious that a lot of people do not understand the real role of a Team Manager. Team Harmony is something the coach needs to drive. The Coach is the leader working with his/her team that can comprise of captains, managers and other specialists or guardians. The Manager is the spokesperson for the team but does a lot of their work in conjunction with the state association in the weeks and months prior to the event. At the event they work closely with the coach looking after entries at the event, accommodation needs, uniforms, recovery nutrition and meals during the event. On lanes their role is to make sure the coaches lineups are in at the appropriate time and to deal with the tournament director on behalf of the team. The Team Manager is not the Coach and would not be telling players what to do on lanes. They would however, be telling them what time to get on team bus, when to go to team meetings and what shirts to wear etc.
Their is quite a clear division between all roles of Coach, Manager and Captain. Lets look at this in a positive manner as now the Team Managers have some education in what the coach and players need to perform at their optimum level. In fairness to past Team Managers they have taken on the roles and some have had to learn on the run, or follow what the previous Manager did, whether it was right or wrong for the team and all have done it as volunteers, taking time off, paying the same levy as the players and sometimes being abused for their trouble if they got it wrong. Now they are armed with additional information.
June Voukolos

 

[Andrew S.]

I have to wonder why the Team Manager information is not made available on line through the TBA Website.
Whilst most of us would agree that information about the proper duties of Team managers is paramount, it does seem that TBA is using this as an excuse for a revenue stream when in fact it should be freely available as a service to the sport.

 

[June Voukolos]

Andrew,
The Team Manager Course also includes ASC General Principles of Officiating Level One, so that the Team Manager is not only an accredited Team Manager with TBA but is also an accredited official with ASC. $20 per course attendee to TBA for ASC registration, certificate, id tag and registration for 2 years is hardly a revenue stream for TBA.
June Voukolos

 

[Andrew S.]

So why does a Team Manager need to become an accredited official with the ASC?

 

[Andrew S.]

I nsee NSW is about to run a Bowling Proficiency Course which apparently is required as part of the Team Manager Accreditation process.
Cost of the BPC is $45.
Its certainly starting to look like a revenue stream.

 

[pixie]

Having read some of the previous posts I can understand that managers may need to be better armed than they have been in the past. My only real question regarding this is when and how did people get informed that would now be a requirement. The first a lot of us knew about it was when people were not at their usual leagues and attendance at the course was the explanation.