The cost of bowling for your state?

[emmtee83]

Hi people.

Was just reading this on the TenpinSA website and was wondering what people in other states think of this......

"Tenpin SA invites all Silver Members to join the South Australian State Based Training Squad.

Tenpin SA is pleased to announce the launch of the State Based Training Squad in 2011. To be eligible for National Team Selection in Juniors, Youth and Open divisions bowlers will have to take part in their local State Based Training Squad.

The South Australian Squad will start on 30th January 2011 with each session costing $50. There will also be a $25 nomination fee for the squad which includes a shirt. Expressions of interest close at COB 21 January 2011. For more information please check out the Nomination Form at the new State Based Training Squad section."

The cost of bowling for your state is already very expensive - to the bowler who aspires to represent state but not quite to a national level, is there a benefit to attending this squad? By holding a TBA membership, shouldn't the standard bowler have access to advice and coaching? And would one be frowned upon if they were good enough to represent state but either refused to use these squads as preparation or didn't have the money to?

I would be interested in everyone else's thoughts on this too.

 

[dbcrow]

I don't read it as saying that you have to be in it if you want to bowl for the state - only for the national team.

I reckon I'm going to go, but not because I want to bowl for Australia (well I'd like to, but I'm not good enough).

But there are a few items that I want to learn more about, namely "Education on Lane Conditions" and "Equipment Knowledge". I really have no idea about either, so I reckon this would be a good place to find out.

Is this information worth $75? Maybe, maybe not. But I'll get a free shirt out of it!!!

 

[Andrew S.]

The format of State Training squads will obviously vary slightly from State to State, but overall they can be of tremendous benefit to those people who really want to learn all they can.

Here are some comments about the 2010 Queensland Squads.
TotalBowling

 

[jockey]

Victoria has had this system in place for the last couple of years. To bowl for the state team which in turn makes you eligible to be selected for the National team you must be a member of the State Training Squad.

I have found the program useful in some areas and believe it is a worthwhile program.

You must remember that to respresent your state in any sport comes at a considerable cost in both time and effort. The facilitation of this structured program in Victoria has benefited all who have attended in some way or another and I'd be surprised if any of the attendees would disagree.

I guess the South Australian branch has seen value in the introduction of a similar program for South Australian bowlers.

 

[Fitzy]

See Mr Shinnie's link to see my opinions on the matter.

I am not privy to TBA and where they see the direction of our sport going, though I do believe that any sport needs a structure and pathway to the elite level. If this is TBA's way of providing mentioned structure and pathway then I suggest supporting your sport and attend.

I can see this being a great initiative for the younger bowlers (and younger still who are not bowling yet) out there but it NEEDS the support of the current bowlers to get it off the ground and viable. Personally I'm too old now to worry about that kind of stuff but I attended last year and will be there next year also. Hopefully my daughters may benefit from my support and attendance today.

The saying 'you can't teach an old dog new tricks' is not always true. If you are thinking about it, Nike! You might just learn something useful but you will enjoy it nonetheless.

My $0.05.

 

[pistol]

Being involved with state junior bowling in SA for a number of years you begin to realise that the best available bowlers in your state might not be representing your state. The bowlers that have the better financial background are the ones who can afford to represent the state. I have had 3 children who could of made the state team but for financial reasons I could not let them all bowl at the same time. This is not stating my kids are the best just it was a possiblity it could happen. One junior(now youth)bowler never tried out for shield because of the financial burden on the family, he would have been a state junior bowler for 5 years at least.There appears to be no easy answer but try to keep the cost of representing your state available to all bowlers not just the wealthier ones.

 

[Brenton_Davy]

State based training programs are not a new concept. They were run in NSW in the early 1980's and were very well attended with coaching luminaries such as Neville Lang, Andy McKay and Ed Kee at the old Bankstown Bowl. The difference from then to now is that the cost of living, bowling and just about everything else has skyrocketed.

The elite player in 1982, for instance had, at most, 2 bowling balls, a double bag and shoes and that was about it. Now to be competitive, an elite bowler needs a minimum of 4, preferably 6 bowling balls which means a minimum of 2 bowling bags, shoes that now are far more expensive plus a variety of accessories. Already the bowler who is not sponsored is a long way behind the expenses 8 ball. I believe that this is a large part of the reason that tournament entries are way down on previous times and that will probably be reflected in this program.

I applaud the TBA (SA) for the initiative, but I am not sure if the players at whom it is aimed will be able to afford it. I truly hope I am wrong.

 

[pistol]

Bowling for years has not been clasified as a true sport which makes it hard to attract sponsors.
IF you look at Aust rules , Soccer n Cricket it is based on the players abilities and attributes to represent the state where as bowling is based on whether you can afford the latest balls or qualify in the designate events or coaching platforms. This is why states struggle to get representitives to roll off at state level.

 

[Andrew S.]

Bowling for years has not been clasified as a true sport which makes it hard to attract sponsors.
IF you look at Aust rules , Soccer n Cricket it is based on the players abilities and attributes to represent the state where as bowling is based on whether you can afford the latest balls or qualify in the designate events or coaching platforms. This is why states struggle to get representitives to roll off at state level.

Not classified? Not classified by who?
That post has to be the greatest load of rubbish ever published on this forum.

 

[strop]

It really has never been classified as a real sport Andrew in all the time I have been bowling.....maybe recognized is a better word. It's a recreational sport in most people's eye's. In Australia anyway.
The average Joe blow, doesn't know about the serious side of bowling.

Don't know how you can say that post is the greatest load of rubbish ever published on this forum............

cheers

Tony

 

[Andrew S.]

Had the post in question stated the General Public don’t recognise Bowling as a sport, I would have agreed.

But to openly use the word classified implies some form of official recognition.
In Australia, Bowling receives financial support from State and Federal governments, and this financial support comes under the heading of Sports Grants.

Their words not mine.
You cant get much more official than the government.

 

[strop]

And what did the post state Andrew......it didn't mention Government either............I was saying in General, as I assumed you were as well.

I was responding to his comments, where did the government come into it....er ...er..that was you.

Anyway, The cost of bowling for your state....

Yes it is tough these days, especially for Peter, or anyone having to pay for Kids (more than one) to be part of a interstate team. For Adults a little different, if you made a team, you will find a way to pay for everything one way or another, otherwise if you couldn't you wouldn't have been stupid enough to try out in the first place...Right?

But yes costs will detract numbers from tournaments.........
I like the idea of the training programs, which I'm sure comes at a fee. Whether it works or not....???
I would say at least would be good to gain further knowledge.
Would I do it.............Mmmm........doubt it, can't see any benefit for a 51 year old who's done allot of miles in this area.

Cheers

Tony

 

[Geoff300]

Bowling for years has not been clasified as a true sport which makes it hard to attract sponsors.
IF you look at Aust rules , Soccer n Cricket it is based on the players abilities and attributes to represent the state where as bowling is based on whether you can afford the latest balls or qualify in the designate events or coaching platforms. This is why states struggle to get representitives to roll off at state level.

The "Is It A Sport" issues is one of perception
Generally speaking the average person on the street
may not believe Ten Pin Bowling Is a Sport, as such, because
they have only had a social experience with some friends or family

In years gone by there were more opportunities for people to see
the game as a sport because all centres had well advertised Tourn
everywhere and leagues were full on no matter what time of day
or night you went to a Centre

We also had the Grand prix series which was a ripper and therefore
gave us some exposure, even then sponsorship was difficult because
the sponsor does not get lots of exposure to the general public like
other sports do on TV and newspapers

If we all think about it just about every sport out there, that we dont play,
we could think it was more of a recreation. Just like when I go swimming
I do it for relaxing etc not to race up and down the lane ropes, besides
I would drown. Backyard cricket is recreational, generally with beers !
What about synchronised swimming OMG it is an Olympic Sport, PLEASE !!!!

Anyway on topic the State Based Training Squads will help Bowlers develop , get closer to more coaching techniques and provide opportunity for those who want take advantage of the wealth of knowledge out there.
It does cost money but the plan is to do it as cheap as possible so it
really offers value for money

I am certain if you ask bowlers who have been involved they not only show the results on the lanes but appreciate the input to their own game

Cheers
Geoff

 

[Troyza]

State training programs are a great idea - it shows who is dedicated (pressumably) & lets face it, some coaching is better than none, right? No point sending representatives away who aren't being taught or fine tuned.

 

[Casual Observer]

What has dedicated got to do with costs/reality?

$50 is a small cost but for country bowlers it isn't just $50. Add travel, accommodation, time off work etc to the price of each and every squad.

I doubt very much that state and national teams have our best bowlers in them and some of this is due to costs.



And before people reply to this post with all the usual negative garbage take the time to read what I actually said.

 

[lgt]

TBA has introduced the requirement for all states to have a State Based training Program for the elite and emerging bowlers - a requirement for all wishing to roll off for national (australian) teams. This is a great move for our upper level bowlers.

Another important issue is encouraging centre based coaching, and promoting the sport of tenpin bowling at grass roots.

There has been a roll out of more level one and some level two coaches in the last 12 months - now the next step needs to be developed - linking with and supporting the coaches and centre management which are the frontline developers of the sport.

Cost is relevant through all these levels, and without entering all sorts of arguments, is a problem across all sports. As a young sportsperson and then a parent of young sportspersons I made decisions regards $ and sport. Don't we all.

As an organiser of training and development - lineage is not free and nor are payments for specialists and coaching.

Having a strong elite program encourages bowlers to achieve and assists with receiving Aust Sports Funding. Having a strong centre and tournament program gives all an opportunity to be invovled, compete at all different levels and enjoy the sport.

The most important thing is the members - who pay membership, promote the sport, and keep turning up each week to bowl / coach / train - unfortunately it is still user-pays. (as an optimist!! I believe this can change to subsidised representation)

Leanne

 

[strop]

TBA has introduced the requirement for all states to have a State Based training Program for the elite and emerging bowlers - a requirement for all wishing to roll off for national (australian) teams.

Does this include Seniors try out for the national team next year ?

Cheers

Tony

 

[Geoff300]

Does this include Seniors try out for the national team next year ?

Cheers

Tony

Tony


presently It does not extend to Seniors or Disabilities, they are invited to attend if they wish but in NSW it is not a requirement

Cheers
Geoff

 

[Troyza]

What has dedicated got to do with costs/reality?

$50 is a small cost but for country bowlers it isn't just $50. Add travel, accommodation, time off work etc to the price of each and every squad.

I doubt very much that state and national teams have our best bowlers in them and some of this is due to costs.



And before people reply to this post with all the usual negative garbage take the time to read what I actually said.

Cost has nothing to do with dedicated, nor did I make a comment based on anything to do with cost (yes I am aware of the topic.)

There are always going to be great bowlers unavailable to represent. Sadly, rural bowlers "may" come under that cateogory due to cost restrictions. Being originally from Grafton, I know how it feels & yes, it is unrealistic spending so much to go & bowl in a TBA event whilst living so far away from every where. But it was just a fact of life.

What I WAS referring to was from the available bowlers, training programs as a requirement are a good step forward in not only educating aspiring bowlers, but keeping motivated bowlers apart from the unmotivated bowlers who might have been selected for bowling out of their tree in one tournment.

 

[Bigsy]

Bowling for years has not been clasified as a true sport which makes it hard to attract sponsors.
IF you look at Aust rules , Soccer n Cricket it is based on the players abilities and attributes to represent the state where as bowling is based on whether you can afford the latest balls or qualify in the designate events or coaching platforms. This is why states struggle to get representitives to roll off at state level.

Bahahahahahahahahaha..............I'm sure ricky ponting buys his cricket bats from Big W.

I'm tempted to continue further, but all I will say is GET OUT !!!

Bigsy...